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Is Andre Ward greater than Roy Jones?

Published Jul 10 2012 by:


Now that Andre Ward reigns as the colossus of the super middleweight division, and stands ready to meet the top light heavyweight in the world, Chad Dawson, asking whether Ward is set to surpass Roy Jones, Jr. is becoming a reasonable question. Indeed, if the buzz on boxing forums is anything to go by, some fans think Ward has already overtaken Roy Jones.

The case of whether Ward will or has already surpassed the Roy Jones legacy hinges on Ward's accomplishments, but also more controversially on Jones' accomplishments. As anyone who is familiar with the career of Roy Jones knows, a considerable amount of ink has been spilled over whether it is as great as his boosters and Jones himself would like us to believe.

The Case for Andre Ward

Ward's victories in the Super Six tournament provide the fodder for his claim to greatness. While none of those victories were by knockout, he beat Mikkel Kessler, Allan Green, Saiko Bika, Arthur Abraham, and Carl Froch, and most importantly he made beating them all look easy. Abraham was a well-established middleweight champion, Bika and Green were fringe contenders, and Kessler and Froch two of the best super middles out there. It was an impressive run of five fights in a little over two years, at the end of which Ward stood as the WBC-WBA Super Middleweight Champion.

Next up for Ward is a clash with light heavyweight king Chad Dawson. Most fans misunderstand this fight, thinking Ward is moving up in weight. In reality, Dawson is moving down to 168, and it is Ward's titles that are on the line. For the time being, Andre Ward is not following in RJJ's footsteps, and moving up to light heavyweight.

Roy Jones as a Middleweight

What makes the comparison between Andre Ward and Roy Jones so compelling is that it was at super middleweight that Roy Jones was at his most fearsome. Even though we have no idea what the next several years will bring to the 28-year-old Ward, he has a track record at 168 lbs, and that can serve as a basis for comparison.

I consider the Jones' championship period at 160 and 168 together, because they are so closely intertwined. No sooner had Jones captured the IBF middleweight title than he made his first foray to 168 lbs. He only defended his 160 lbs title once before making the jump to super middleweight for good. If anything, including his late middleweight period helps Jones' image.

Jones beat Bernard Hopkins to win the IBF 160 lbs crown in a cautious, tactical chess match. It was a win that would only come to look better as Hopkins went on to become one of the greatest middleweights of all-time. He defended it only once, against fringe contender Thomas Tate.

Going for the IBF 168 lbs title, Roy Jones whipped James Toney, and like Ward he made it look easy. His reign lasted for five defenses over almost two years, but during that time Jones feasted on fringe contenders and journeymen. After Toney, the best super middleweight Jones fought as a super middleweight champion was "Sugarboy" Malinga, a second-tier contender, and he fought Malinga before challenging Toney. Ironically, Jones would not meet another real middleweight contender until he fought Reggie Johnson in 1999, a fight at light heavyweight.

The Comparison

Both men had five fights in the space of roughly two years, and both men dominated in all of them. However, for Jones' record to compete with Ward's, we need to include his 160 lbs fights with Hopkins and Tate. Without Hopkins in particular, Jones looks more like Lucian Bute than Andre Ward.

After beating James Toney, RJJ's level of competition fell into the fringe contender strata or worse, as he took easy fight after lucrative easy fight. Worse, Jones could have been tangling with the other big super middlweights of the mid-1990s, especially with his hefty HBO financial backing, but chose not to.

That said, the two men have similar accomplishments at this stage of their career. Ward has defeated two top-tier contenders, two second-tier contenders, and two fringe contenders, and looked great doing it. At the general point in his career, Jones whipped two top-tier fighters, one second-tier contender, and four fringe contenders. Ultimately, I don't think anyone can argue Andre Ward is greater than Roy Jones just yet, but the man has plenty of time to make his case.

How Ward Can Top Jones

Where Ward can top Jones in the future is by avoiding the Roy Jones career pattern, already well-established by the end of Jones' super middleweight career. After bolstering his reputation with his stunning victory over James Toney, with his win over Hopkins looking better with each passing year, and with plenty of crowd-pleasing knockouts over lesser opponents, Jones enjoyed the full backing of HBO for whatever he wanted to do.

He thus chose the path of least resistance as a super middleweight, and was equally able to avoid the toughest challenge of the light heavyweight division, Dariusz Michalczewski, while unifying three of that division's belts. Even Jones' claim to a heavyweight title is dodgy, since he won a title from John Ruiz, a fringe contender who only had a belt in the first place because of political machinations enacted against Lennox Lewis.

Thankfully, Ward doesn't face a light heavyweight division as anemic as the one RJJ entered. Chad Dawson is already coming to him, Bernard Hopkins is still out there (mega-fight anyone?), and guys like Jean Pascal, Nathan Cleverly and Tavoris Cloud are at least the equals of Lou Del Valle, Reggie Johnson, Otis Grant and Montell Griffin. If Ward plays his cards right, he could clearly eclipse Jones' light heavyweight reign, and in so doing eclipse RJJ himself.

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13 Comments | Leave a comment »
  1. Jake Emen says:

    Fair enough analysis. But the domination of Toney, and the win over Hopkins, stand as vastly, vastly superior wins to Froch and Abraham, good as they are.

    • Rich Thomas says:

      Do you mean Froch and Kessler? All things considered, the early, not-quite-perfected version of Bernard Hopkins and the drained, cheeseburger-loving version of Toney? I’m not so sure.

      The Hopkins thing I know very well, and at that stage of his career he was NOT better than any of the first-tier fighters under discussion. I saw that fight live, and saw him fight several times live in the years that followed, right up to the Trinidad fight. Hopkins grew and continued to grow. He was good at that time, and he got a lot better.

      • Jake Emen says:

        Nevertheless, Jones was the only man to beat him cleanly in two decades, and Jones hadn’t yet peaked either. They were at the same stages of their careers when they met, and Jones bested him.

        As for Toney, you can discredit him now, but he was regarded unquestionably as one of the top 3 fighters in the world when Jones handily defeated him.

  2. mike tyson says:

    LOL
    ward is pretty good and probably the best out there atm – but nowhere near the level of roy jones.

  3. RJ Fan says:

    You can’t be serious!!! Ward is great but he is nowhere close to Superman’s level. There is no comparison. Man…. Y’all Musta Forgot.
    http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2344836.jpg

  4. rick says:

    are you nuts. compare andre ward to hopkins as they fight similar styles. RJJ wld have knocked out andre ward in under 5 rounds in his prime. which promoter paid you to write this?

  5. Boxpert says:

    I’m shocked. Shocked and amazed. The Roybots are still out there, and rabid as ever.

    Whatsamatta fellas? No one else has come along to plow through second-rate journeymen on HBO WCB for you, so you have to watch your RJJ highlight reels on endless loop?

    • dee says:

      go drink your milk boy. let the older guys talk cause they’ve seen RJJ fight in his prime.
      you either are blind or you suck andre ward’s balls

  6. Boxpert says:

    Regarding my previous comment, I would like to say that I’m a retard and a dumbass and need an ass whooping ASAP. I take it back and hopefully boxing fans can forgive my stupidity. What I really wanted to say was that Roy Jones Jr. in his prime would annihilate Andre Ward.

    • Jim Walter says:

      Taking someone else’s handle to diss them is the mark of a pimple-faced, teenaged loser who has nothing better to do but eat pork rinds in his Mom’s basement and troll between jerk-offs to internet rape fantasy porn.

  7. Jordan Campbell says:

    This article is a joke! Its shouldnt even be up for debate. Maybe write this 5 years down the line. Ward hasnt done even nearly enough yet to be compared to Roy. Yall must of forgot.

  8. arthurpalinka says:

    With all respect to Ward , He would be the first one to say , that He is no Roy Jones.

  9. florentin says:

    no. just, NO. write this article five years from now


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