Comments on: Manny Pacquiao vs. the Greats, Part 5: The Welterweights http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/ The best boxing news on the web today. Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:06:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Boxing 101 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-4/#comment-39298 Boxing 101 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:01:52 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-39298 Out of all the replys Rudy's is the most objective & thus the most accurate. The problem with Pacman is that the vast majority of posters either think he is overrated or a demi-god (and he is neither). Manny is a great fighter who's skill has increased in proportion to his weight. For example the version of Manny at 140-147 would knock out the 126 pound version. Pacman would be extremely competitive with the all-time great Lightweights (e.g. Duran) and Junior-Welterweights (e.g. Pryor) but he is simply too small to beat the all-time great Welterweights. He is beating fighters like Cotto now because they are good, but not great, bigger men. Out of all the replys Rudy’s is the most objective & thus the most accurate. The problem with Pacman is that the vast majority of posters either think he is overrated or a demi-god (and he is neither). Manny is a great fighter who’s skill has increased in proportion to his weight. For example the version of Manny at 140-147 would knock out the 126 pound version.

Pacman would be extremely competitive with the all-time great Lightweights (e.g. Duran) and Junior-Welterweights (e.g. Pryor) but he is simply too small to beat the all-time great Welterweights. He is beating fighters like Cotto now because they are good, but not great, bigger men.

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By: chee http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-4/#comment-18578 chee Sat, 07 Aug 2010 03:53:55 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-18578 nice i agree with you mannys good but he aint a top welter tommy and robinson would garantee knock him out...manny will be an atg but he aint on dat ray robinson level cmon u guys now dat.stupid pactards be a real boxing fan nice i agree with you mannys good but he aint a top welter tommy and robinson would garantee knock him out…manny will be an atg but he aint on dat ray robinson level cmon u guys now dat.stupid pactards be a real boxing fan

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By: Rudy http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-3/#comment-5494 Rudy Tue, 23 Mar 2010 01:14:40 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-5494 I don't see what the big fuss is. I think these predictions are pretty much spot on, with the exception of napoles and cuevas with whom I think Pacquiao would probably stop. The point is that Pac is definitely an ATG, but not an ATG welterweight as most of these fighters mentioned were. Most of these fighters would probably beat a prime De La Hoya and surely beat Cotto. You have to analyze the matchups as boxing fan and not as a fanboy of any one fighter. I love De La Hoya, but I've always thought that prime for prome Hearns and SRL both stop him. I don’t see what the big fuss is. I think these predictions are pretty much spot on, with the exception of napoles and cuevas with whom I think Pacquiao would probably stop. The point is that Pac is definitely an ATG, but not an ATG welterweight as most of these fighters mentioned were. Most of these fighters would probably beat a prime De La Hoya and surely beat Cotto. You have to analyze the matchups as boxing fan and not as a fanboy of any one fighter. I love De La Hoya, but I’ve always thought that prime for prome Hearns and SRL both stop him.

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By: yamertz http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-3/#comment-5404 yamertz Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:57:13 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-5404 from the time of pacquiao's debut at 122 lbs(bantamweight)..almost all boxing analyst (even Filipino analyst'S') counted him out against the best fighters of the modern era..here are their FAMOUS predictions against notable fighters: 1.)Barrera 126 lbs- win by TKO or one-sided unanimous decision: manny is one-dimensional and has never fought a technically gifted fighter like barrera (top 3 pound4pound at that time) 2.)Morales 126 lbs- win by decision: manny hasn't been tested in bloody battles comparable to Erik's fights with barrera 3.)De la Hoya- win by KO: manny is too small and would slow down considering the added weight 4.)Hatton- by KO: manny couldn't handle the aggression and the rugged style hatton implemented in his fight with Kostya Tzsu 5.)Cotto- by decision: manny couldn,t hanlde the strength of a true welterweight THOSE were the pre-fight analysis.. THOSE were the fighters Manny Knocked out/TKO'ed.. Yet so-called "BOXING ANALYSTS" consider him inferior compared to 'OLD'-time greats.. I Hope we open our minds,and analyze for ourselves- and maybe, just maybe- Pacquiao would turn out to be the greatest of all-time a century from now from the time of pacquiao’s debut at 122 lbs(bantamweight)..almost all boxing analyst (even Filipino analyst’S') counted him out against the best fighters of the modern era..here are their FAMOUS predictions against notable fighters:
1.)Barrera 126 lbs- win by TKO or one-sided unanimous decision: manny is one-dimensional and has never fought a technically gifted fighter like barrera (top 3 pound4pound at that time)
2.)Morales 126 lbs- win by decision: manny hasn’t been tested in bloody battles comparable to Erik’s fights with barrera
3.)De la Hoya- win by KO: manny is too small and would slow down considering the added weight
4.)Hatton- by KO: manny couldn’t handle the aggression and the rugged style hatton implemented in his fight with Kostya Tzsu
5.)Cotto- by decision: manny couldn,t hanlde the strength of a true welterweight

THOSE were the pre-fight analysis.. THOSE were the fighters Manny Knocked out/TKO’ed.. Yet so-called “BOXING ANALYSTS” consider him inferior compared to ‘OLD’-time greats..

I Hope we open our minds,and analyze for ourselves- and maybe, just maybe- Pacquiao would turn out to be the greatest of all-time a century from now

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By: Scott Levinson http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-3/#comment-3987 Scott Levinson Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:26:30 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-3987 Thank you Rich. Appreciate that coming from you. Thank you Rich. Appreciate that coming from you.

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By: Rich Thomas http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-3/#comment-3953 Rich Thomas Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:40:33 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-3953 I tend to agree. With the possible exception of the Napoles fight (I haven't thought enough about him lately to say off-the-cuff), with some small differences this is pretty much how I would call it right down the pike I tend to agree. With the possible exception of the Napoles fight (I haven’t thought enough about him lately to say off-the-cuff), with some small differences this is pretty much how I would call it right down the pike

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By: Avatar http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-3/#comment-3930 Avatar Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:57:48 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-3930 All the fighters from 130 Pounds and above that Pacman fought said that Pacman would not win. Look at what happen! All you so called experts said: - Goldenboy too tall and complete fighter - Hatton is a best at 140 Division - Cotto is Super Welterweight - Other excuses so on and so forth No one gave Pacman any respect, even after the fight. Oh he foght an old man, weight drained, blah blah blah DREAM ON! Bring anyone and specially floyd, we can't wait to see the boy spanked back to his momma womb. All the fighters from 130 Pounds and above that Pacman fought said that Pacman would not win.

Look at what happen!

All you so called experts said:

- Goldenboy too tall and complete fighter
- Hatton is a best at 140 Division
- Cotto is Super Welterweight
- Other excuses so on and so forth

No one gave Pacman any respect, even after the fight.

Oh he foght an old man, weight drained, blah blah blah

DREAM ON!

Bring anyone and specially floyd, we can’t wait to see the boy spanked back to his momma womb.

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By: Zans http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-3/#comment-3928 Zans Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:05:54 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-3928 what if dela hoya vs pacman never happen and after 20 yrs you will compare them, you will certainly say oscar would ko manny because he is bigger and stronger. But we all know what happen. Its not fair comparing manny with those legends just because manny is a small welter weight. 4th round ko against hearns Are you insane? Did you know that mannys ko loss are all by dehydration cuz he stay so long in the 112 division. Look at cotto younger and stronger but he could not even hurt manny when manny is on his usual fighting shape. 5 yrs ago we didnt even imagine that cotto will fight manny cuz miguel is too big then we all know what happen when they fought. what if dela hoya vs pacman never happen and after 20 yrs you will compare them, you will certainly say oscar would ko manny because he is bigger and stronger. But we all know what happen. Its not fair comparing manny with those legends just because manny is a small welter weight. 4th round ko against hearns Are you insane? Did you know that mannys ko loss are all by dehydration cuz he stay so long in the 112 division. Look at cotto younger and stronger but he could not even hurt manny when manny is on his usual fighting shape. 5 yrs ago we didnt even imagine that cotto will fight manny cuz miguel is too big then we all know what happen when they fought.

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By: Peter http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-3/#comment-3926 Peter Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:08:31 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-3926 JUST ANOTHER FANTASY IN YUR MIND; REALITY IS MANNY WINS MOST OF THE FIGHTS (EXCEPT HEARNS) BECASE OF HIS UNUSUAL STYLE AND HIGH BOXING INTELLIGENCE, TALENT & SKILLS. JUST ANOTHER FANTASY IN YUR MIND; REALITY IS MANNY WINS MOST OF THE FIGHTS (EXCEPT HEARNS) BECASE OF HIS UNUSUAL STYLE AND HIGH BOXING INTELLIGENCE, TALENT & SKILLS.

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By: angulo http://www.proboxing-fans.com/manny-pacquiao-vs-the-greats-part-5-the-welterweights_013010/comment-page-3/#comment-3923 angulo Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:48:43 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=1763#comment-3923 just continue your fantasy ,keep on dreaming man just continue your fantasy ,keep on dreaming man

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