Comments on: Top 10 Heavyweights in Boxing History http://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-heavyweights-in-boxing-history/ The best boxing news on the web today. Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:30:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: henrythehook http://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-heavyweights-in-boxing-history/comment-page-1/#comment-147930 henrythehook Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:30:02 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=160#comment-147930 well i agree with 9 of the 10 patterson? but to forget or not to include Gene Tunney is a big mistake he was 70-1 retired with the crown an he NEVER LOST AS A HEAVYWEIGHT his only loss came as a lt heavy well i guess nobodys perfect so in this case 2 heads really is better than one lol well i agree with 9 of the 10 patterson? but to forget or not to include Gene Tunney is a big mistake he was 70-1 retired with the crown an he NEVER LOST AS A HEAVYWEIGHT his only loss came as a lt heavy well i guess nobodys perfect so in this case 2 heads really is better than one lol

]]>
By: Anthony http://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-heavyweights-in-boxing-history/comment-page-1/#comment-90849 Anthony Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:47:33 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=160#comment-90849 You guys are fucking idiots young mike tyson would've took anyone you know out... and where is Jack Dempsey?????? You guys are fucking idiots young mike tyson would’ve took anyone you know out… and where is Jack Dempsey??????

]]>
By: sonny dryden http://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-heavyweights-in-boxing-history/comment-page-1/#comment-2622 sonny dryden Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:10:30 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=160#comment-2622 you show how little you know of boxing rateing patterson in top ten heres the best 10 of all time you show how little you know of boxing rateing patterson in top ten heres the best 10 of all time

]]>
By: JEFF http://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-heavyweights-in-boxing-history/comment-page-1/#comment-966 JEFF Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:16:02 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=160#comment-966 I mostly agree with the comments about Ali being overrated. The reason why I think that he is often rated so highly is because of his colorful personality. He told everyone he was the greatest and they believed him. Having said this, you can make a legitimate argument in his favor based on the quality of the opponents he faced. No other former champion's resume even comes close in terms of the quality of opponents: Liston, Patterson, Frazier, Foreman, Quarry, Young, Lyle, Shavers, Norton, Chuvalo, and Ellis. He fought some of these guys 2 or 3 times. Until he climbed back into the ring at age 38 after a two-year layoff and found out that he was washed up (against Larry Holmes) he was never stopped and won the vast majority of of his fights against world class opponents. As a young fighter Ali was perhaps the fastest heavyweight ever. Once he slowed down it revealed that he had never developed much of a defense. However, he was tough as nails and mastered the art of boxing to compensate for diminished speed. I would not put him #1 either. But let's face it, no other heavyweight in history had to face the number of world class opponents that Ali did--fighters that were hall of famers in their own right. BTW, People knock Larry Holmes for poor quality opposition during his championship reign and on the way up. I deny this. He fought and defeated Norton, Witherspoon, Cooney, Shavers, Weaver, Snipes, and Berbick. On the whole that list doesn't measure up to Ali's opposition. However, it is as good or better than most of the great heavyweights. Who did Marciano fight? Walcott and Charles (each twice) and Joe Louis after he was washed up. They were great fighters, but really don't compare to Holmes' list as a whole body of work. Look at the lineup of bums that fought Joe Louis while he racked up 25 title defenses. I could go on, but this is sufficient to make the point. On pure skill and the total package, I rate a number of fighters higher than Ali. But in terms of acheivements, it is hard to argue with his record. I mostly agree with the comments about Ali being overrated. The reason why I think that he is often rated so highly is because of his colorful personality. He told everyone he was the greatest and they believed him.

Having said this, you can make a legitimate argument in his favor based on the quality of the opponents he faced. No other former champion’s resume even comes close in terms of the quality of opponents: Liston, Patterson, Frazier, Foreman, Quarry, Young, Lyle, Shavers, Norton, Chuvalo, and Ellis. He fought some of these guys 2 or 3 times. Until he climbed back into the ring at age 38 after a two-year layoff and found out that he was washed up (against Larry Holmes) he was never stopped and won the vast majority of of his fights against world class opponents.

As a young fighter Ali was perhaps the fastest heavyweight ever. Once he slowed down it revealed that he had never developed much of a defense. However, he was tough as nails and mastered the art of boxing to compensate for diminished speed. I would not put him #1 either. But let’s face it, no other heavyweight in history had to face the number of world class opponents that Ali did–fighters that were hall of famers in their own right.

BTW, People knock Larry Holmes for poor quality opposition during his championship reign and on the way up. I deny this. He fought and defeated Norton, Witherspoon, Cooney, Shavers, Weaver, Snipes, and Berbick. On the whole that list doesn’t measure up to Ali’s opposition. However, it is as good or better than most of the great heavyweights. Who did Marciano fight? Walcott and Charles (each twice) and Joe Louis after he was washed up. They were great fighters, but really don’t compare to Holmes’ list as a whole body of work. Look at the lineup of bums that fought Joe Louis while he racked up 25 title defenses. I could go on, but this is sufficient to make the point. On pure skill and the total package, I rate a number of fighters higher than Ali. But in terms of acheivements, it is hard to argue with his record.

]]>
By: Mr.Goodbar 9000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-heavyweights-in-boxing-history/comment-page-1/#comment-209 Mr.Goodbar 9000 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:53:22 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=160#comment-209 Let me add my choices for All-Time Heavyweights: 1.Joe Louis 2. Muhammad Ali/ Cassius clay 3. Rocky Marciano 4. Mike Tyson 5. Evander Holyfield P.S. Here's a blast from the past: Ernie Shavers, remember him ? Let me add my choices for All-Time Heavyweights:

1.Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali/ Cassius clay
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Mike Tyson
5. Evander Holyfield

P.S. Here’s a blast from the past: Ernie Shavers, remember him ?

]]>
By: Milan Bhandari http://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-heavyweights-in-boxing-history/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Milan Bhandari Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:56:35 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=160#comment-107 I would like to rank the greatest heavyweihts in boxing of all time 1.Joe Lois 2.Rocky Marciano 3.Mike Tyson 4.Muhammad Ali 5.Jack Dampsey I would like to rank the greatest heavyweihts in boxing of all time

1.Joe Lois
2.Rocky Marciano
3.Mike Tyson
4.Muhammad Ali
5.Jack Dampsey

]]>
By: Milan Bhandari http://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-heavyweights-in-boxing-history/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Milan Bhandari Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:52:16 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=160#comment-106 According to me,Joe Lois is the greatest boxer in history and Rocky Marciano,the second greatest because the technique of Joe was at par with other boxers.On the other hand he is very kind hearted,which makes him the greatest by his heart. According to me,Joe Lois is the greatest boxer in history and Rocky Marciano,the second greatest because the technique of Joe was at par with other boxers.On the other hand he is very kind hearted,which makes him the greatest by his heart.

]]>
By: Bo http://www.proboxing-fans.com/top-10-heavyweights-in-boxing-history/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Bo Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:54:18 +0000 http://www.proboxing-fans.com/?p=160#comment-35 Who the hell came up with this crap list? Tyson and Patterson are not top 10 heavyweights. Foreman is way too high. He only had 3 total title defenses in both of his reigns. And two of those were against complete bums. The top 4 is ok, although you could shuffle the order a bit, but Tyson and Patterson make this list garbage. (based on universal hold of title) 1. Johnson (ranks at or near the top in every category) 2. Louis (most recognized title defenses) 3. Ali (best record against other champions) 4. Marciano (undefeated) 5. Holmes (2nd longest consecutive defense streak) 6. Holyfield (most titles) 7. Ezzard Charles (8 title defenses) 8. Lewis (7 title defenses) 9. Frazier (6 title defenses) 10. Foreman (but this is a precarious rank as he could be replaced by Klitschko eventually) Dempsey and Tunney fall out of the top due to avoidance of black fighters. Tyson could possible be top 12, but that's it. He had only 6 defenses and never beat a top champion in their prime as all of the other fighters above him had done at least once. Sullivan often gets ignored because no one today has ever seen how he fought, but he reigned for 10 years and, although he didn't defend against black fighters, he did fight several on his way to title and in exhibitions. More than Dempsey and Tunney did, 40+ years later, after times had changed considerably and Johnson broke the race barrier. Patterson is barely top 20. If that. Who the hell came up with this crap list? Tyson and Patterson are not top 10 heavyweights.
Foreman is way too high. He only had 3 total title defenses in both of his reigns. And two of those were against complete bums.

The top 4 is ok, although you could shuffle the order a bit, but Tyson and Patterson make this list garbage.

(based on universal hold of title)
1. Johnson (ranks at or near the top in every category)
2. Louis (most recognized title defenses)
3. Ali (best record against other champions)
4. Marciano (undefeated)
5. Holmes (2nd longest consecutive defense streak)
6. Holyfield (most titles)
7. Ezzard Charles (8 title defenses)
8. Lewis (7 title defenses)
9. Frazier (6 title defenses)
10. Foreman (but this is a precarious rank as he could be replaced by Klitschko eventually)

Dempsey and Tunney fall out of the top due to avoidance of black fighters. Tyson could possible be top 12, but that’s it. He had only 6 defenses and never beat a top champion in their prime as all of the other fighters above him had done at least once.

Sullivan often gets ignored because no one today has ever seen how he fought, but he reigned for 10 years and, although he didn’t defend against black fighters, he did fight several on his way to title and in exhibitions. More than Dempsey and Tunney did, 40+ years later, after times had changed considerably and Johnson broke the race barrier.

Patterson is barely top 20. If that.

]]>